Comments on: WTB Good Industry Blogs http://omonomono.com/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/ The Yard Sale Mon, 21 May 2012 22:54:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: omo http://omonomono.com/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/#comment-6504 omo Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:46:25 +0000 http://omo.serenana.info/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/#comment-6504 I've also seen people fended off /b/ too. Remember I mod the most hated OEL manga forum online :p /b/ is not as scary as you think. For that matter there are tools to do all kinds of stuff to render them mostly useless against a blog, that doesn't apply to other kinds of sites. But quit arguing not-your position :p I’ve also seen people fended off /b/ too. Remember I mod the most hated OEL manga forum online :p /b/ is not as scary as you think. For that matter there are tools to do all kinds of stuff to render them mostly useless against a blog, that doesn’t apply to other kinds of sites.

But quit arguing not-your position :p

]]> By: Avatar http://omonomono.com/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/#comment-6502 Avatar Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:15:05 +0000 http://omo.serenana.info/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/#comment-6502 What? I -do- blog. Not arguing my own position here; most of the downside arguments don't particularly apply to me, so there's no reason why not. ;p All that I'm saying is that the situation functions very differently when there are significant numbers of people who hold grudges against you for no good reason (or, at least, no reason you could possibly do anything about.) The task of physical upkeep and idiot patrol goes up significantly, while your time resources don't. You know what kind of purely malicious vandalism anime fans are capable of. You've SEEN /b/. What? I -do- blog. Not arguing my own position here; most of the downside arguments don’t particularly apply to me, so there’s no reason why not. ;p

All that I’m saying is that the situation functions very differently when there are significant numbers of people who hold grudges against you for no good reason (or, at least, no reason you could possibly do anything about.) The task of physical upkeep and idiot patrol goes up significantly, while your time resources don’t. You know what kind of purely malicious vandalism anime fans are capable of. You’ve SEEN /b/.

]]> By: omo http://omonomono.com/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/#comment-6501 omo Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:33:47 +0000 http://omo.serenana.info/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/#comment-6501 Just because you wear a DeCSS shirt doesn't mean you know anything about blogging--in fact that's what you are not getting. It's not a technical issue. It's an understanding social change issue. I said befriend teenagers, not coders... After all it's them that will buy and watch anime. (They're the bulk of people with the disposable income and time to want to waste it on that stuff. In a few years they'll all be in college, and you really want to nail them then. But hey, that kind of blogging is not what I'm talking about.) In fact how you respond to "when will you fuckers release Shuten Doji on Blu-Ray?" betrays your lack of understanding. If I was you I'd just moderate my comments and delete those. It's a very Web 1.0 response. There's no need to quit or be defensive; trolls are trolls. If things get out of hand, just disable comments. Be reasonable and trust your readers; there are always more people who read blogs and not comment than those who do. Of course the bigger problem is trying to get 200 comments that say that in the first place. I'd elaborate also how you'd treat those comments differently on a blog versus on a forum, but that's for another day. Well, I'm not going to argue with you regarding people's choices. I understand your logic but at the same time I think it's pretty much misplaced by old presumptions of how things worked. A year of real life is like 10 years on the internet, so things may have changed drastically while some people weren't looking. I am not saying everyone should blog (and not everyone should), but if only one person tries it out after all of this and likes it, then my mission is more than complete. I will just say that the weather is great and the water temperature is just right, so come join us for a swim if you ever get tired of your high horse. Just because you wear a DeCSS shirt doesn’t mean you know anything about blogging–in fact that’s what you are not getting. It’s not a technical issue. It’s an understanding social change issue. I said befriend teenagers, not coders… After all it’s them that will buy and watch anime. (They’re the bulk of people with the disposable income and time to want to waste it on that stuff. In a few years they’ll all be in college, and you really want to nail them then. But hey, that kind of blogging is not what I’m talking about.)

In fact how you respond to “when will you fuckers release Shuten Doji on Blu-Ray?” betrays your lack of understanding. If I was you I’d just moderate my comments and delete those. It’s a very Web 1.0 response. There’s no need to quit or be defensive; trolls are trolls. If things get out of hand, just disable comments. Be reasonable and trust your readers; there are always more people who read blogs and not comment than those who do. Of course the bigger problem is trying to get 200 comments that say that in the first place. I’d elaborate also how you’d treat those comments differently on a blog versus on a forum, but that’s for another day.

Well, I’m not going to argue with you regarding people’s choices. I understand your logic but at the same time I think it’s pretty much misplaced by old presumptions of how things worked. A year of real life is like 10 years on the internet, so things may have changed drastically while some people weren’t looking. I am not saying everyone should blog (and not everyone should), but if only one person tries it out after all of this and likes it, then my mission is more than complete.

I will just say that the weather is great and the water temperature is just right, so come join us for a swim if you ever get tired of your high horse.

]]> By: Avatar http://omonomono.com/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/#comment-6500 Avatar Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:47:40 +0000 http://omo.serenana.info/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/#comment-6500 You've got it backwards. It's not that I've had particularly bad experiences with fans on the internet, per se. EVERYONE in the industry has had that. It's practically obligatory. Hell, if anything, I had a bit of an easier time because I was never very far up the totem pole, and because as a subtitler I was (am, I suppose) one of the nominal "good guys". ;p And sure, I was also a good bit more visible online than most people doing my job, but I'm the argumentative sort; there's plenty of times I would hop into a fansubber channel and max out my typing speed keeping up with five or six conversations at once, several of which aren't printable in a family publication. The idea that these are people of low technical sophistication is also kind of funny. My boss would wear his DeCSS code T-shirt to work. (Mind you, he was the head DVD author... that ought to give you an idea of things on that front, heh.) I don't blame you for thinking that, perhaps, but I can say you're off base on my personal experience here. My contention isn't that the anime company employees don't want to blog - it's that they are correct in not wanting to blog, that the aversion isn't just "ugh, talk with fans, no thanks" but a rational calculation of the potential benefits (damned few), the potential problems (legion), and the annoyance factor (tremendous). You're waving the "oh, it's the 21st century now" flag at me, but when did you think I was working for the industry, exactly? Precisely what has changed in the last two years that makes blogging a more-attractive option? Seriously, I'd like to know. And specifically, not in the "Microsoft and Google do it" sense. Anime companies don't have billions of dollars in market capitalization, they can't afford to flush money that way. Why would it be good for anime industry insiders, specifically, to blog more? If I'm engaging in a discussion online, and I don't like the tone that it's taking, I don't sit there and yell, I just go away. If people don't want to be civil, they can do it without me there. But when it's your blog, you can't "go away" - you either fight back or quit blogging. If that sort of thing started to happen on my blog, I -would- quit blogging. And nobody is sitting there thinking "heh, it would be fun if I posted a comment saying 'when will you fuckers release Shuten Doji on Blu-Ray?' to 200 different posts" when it comes to me. ;p You’ve got it backwards. It’s not that I’ve had particularly bad experiences with fans on the internet, per se. EVERYONE in the industry has had that. It’s practically obligatory. Hell, if anything, I had a bit of an easier time because I was never very far up the totem pole, and because as a subtitler I was (am, I suppose) one of the nominal “good guys”. ;p And sure, I was also a good bit more visible online than most people doing my job, but I’m the argumentative sort; there’s plenty of times I would hop into a fansubber channel and max out my typing speed keeping up with five or six conversations at once, several of which aren’t printable in a family publication.

The idea that these are people of low technical sophistication is also kind of funny. My boss would wear his DeCSS code T-shirt to work. (Mind you, he was the head DVD author… that ought to give you an idea of things on that front, heh.) I don’t blame you for thinking that, perhaps, but I can say you’re off base on my personal experience here.

My contention isn’t that the anime company employees don’t want to blog – it’s that they are correct in not wanting to blog, that the aversion isn’t just “ugh, talk with fans, no thanks” but a rational calculation of the potential benefits (damned few), the potential problems (legion), and the annoyance factor (tremendous).

You’re waving the “oh, it’s the 21st century now” flag at me, but when did you think I was working for the industry, exactly? Precisely what has changed in the last two years that makes blogging a more-attractive option? Seriously, I’d like to know. And specifically, not in the “Microsoft and Google do it” sense. Anime companies don’t have billions of dollars in market capitalization, they can’t afford to flush money that way. Why would it be good for anime industry insiders, specifically, to blog more?

If I’m engaging in a discussion online, and I don’t like the tone that it’s taking, I don’t sit there and yell, I just go away. If people don’t want to be civil, they can do it without me there. But when it’s your blog, you can’t “go away” – you either fight back or quit blogging. If that sort of thing started to happen on my blog, I -would- quit blogging. And nobody is sitting there thinking “heh, it would be fun if I posted a comment saying ‘when will you fuckers release Shuten Doji on Blu-Ray?’ to 200 different posts” when it comes to me. ;p

]]> By: omo http://omonomono.com/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/#comment-6499 omo Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:31:31 +0000 http://omo.serenana.info/2007/12/17/wtb-good-industry-blogs/#comment-6499 It sure won't put money in your pocket (unless you make it a full time job much like what Chris and other self-sufficient bloggers have done), if that's what you're getting at. Why do you blog, then? Why do companies like Microsoft and Google (and other, smaller, cheaper but nonetheless 'big' companies) pay their key employees (which are, as far as dollar-figure goes, worth several anime industry employees at any level) to blog? It's worth something. You are right in saying (even if you are not saying it outright) that you can't make someone blog if they don't want to or can't (because they don't know this internet stuff or don't have the time), but that shouldn't stop anyone who do if they want to, or if they can turn that into something positive. I can't help but to feel that you're only saying so because you've had otherwise a negative experience with dealing with fans on the internet. Perhaps that is the overall consensus from the anime industry side (probably because since they're all too busy the past few years to realize what's going on), but there are enough success stories from other fields to say that it doesn't have to be that way with anime. Or maybe you are just being overly sensitive since all you are really saying is that the typical person working for the industry doesn't know how to handle publicity on the internet? I just want to see more anime industry folks using the internet like it's the 21st century. Does that do you any benefit? I have no idea, but somehow I think there's a theme in a lot of criticism with the anime industry being stiff-necked and backwards in an age of fast changes and internet piracy. It sure won’t put money in your pocket (unless you make it a full time job much like what Chris and other self-sufficient bloggers have done), if that’s what you’re getting at. Why do you blog, then? Why do companies like Microsoft and Google (and other, smaller, cheaper but nonetheless ‘big’ companies) pay their key employees (which are, as far as dollar-figure goes, worth several anime industry employees at any level) to blog? It’s worth something. You are right in saying (even if you are not saying it outright) that you can’t make someone blog if they don’t want to or can’t (because they don’t know this internet stuff or don’t have the time), but that shouldn’t stop anyone who do if they want to, or if they can turn that into something positive.

I can’t help but to feel that you’re only saying so because you’ve had otherwise a negative experience with dealing with fans on the internet. Perhaps that is the overall consensus from the anime industry side (probably because since they’re all too busy the past few years to realize what’s going on), but there are enough success stories from other fields to say that it doesn’t have to be that way with anime. Or maybe you are just being overly sensitive since all you are really saying is that the typical person working for the industry doesn’t know how to handle publicity on the internet?

I just want to see more anime industry folks using the internet like it’s the 21st century. Does that do you any benefit? I have no idea, but somehow I think there’s a theme in a lot of criticism with the anime industry being stiff-necked and backwards in an age of fast changes and internet piracy.

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