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		<title>By: omo</title>
		<link>http://omonomono.com/2008/01/08/lol-copyright/#comment-6625</link>
		<dc:creator>omo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: data: You didn&#039;t make it clear if you were just comparing titles and how well they sell versus the behavior of people who may buy your title. Big difference there. Presumably you have both kinds of data?

Certain it seems like entitlement, but I make no assumption from there. If all you are talking about is about two sentences in my blog then I don&#039;t really have much to say besides I might be good at trolling certain kinds of people. But at the same time, I think when you decide to air your anime on TV and make money the traditional way, you can&#039;t expect eat your cake and have it too. Everyone is entitled to something, may it be free culture (to answer your question) or copyright protection. I think you can flip the argument either way and say you or I are making an argument from entitlement. It&#039;s sort of meaningless criticism besides that there has to be some middle ground (ie. the public should pay up and the publishers shouldn&#039;t hog the rights).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: data: You didn&#8217;t make it clear if you were just comparing titles and how well they sell versus the behavior of people who may buy your title. Big difference there. Presumably you have both kinds of data?</p>
<p>Certain it seems like entitlement, but I make no assumption from there. If all you are talking about is about two sentences in my blog then I don&#8217;t really have much to say besides I might be good at trolling certain kinds of people. But at the same time, I think when you decide to air your anime on TV and make money the traditional way, you can&#8217;t expect eat your cake and have it too. Everyone is entitled to something, may it be free culture (to answer your question) or copyright protection. I think you can flip the argument either way and say you or I are making an argument from entitlement. It&#8217;s sort of meaningless criticism besides that there has to be some middle ground (ie. the public should pay up and the publishers shouldn&#8217;t hog the rights).</p>
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		<title>By: Avatar</title>
		<link>http://omonomono.com/2008/01/08/lol-copyright/#comment-6624</link>
		<dc:creator>Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer your question, yup. ;p

I&#039;ll ask you... which &quot;right&quot; are you fighting for, exactly? How did you obtain a right to these fruits of other people&#039;s hard labor? Aside from the right of nature, in which you are entitled to take it because you are capable of doing so, of course. Naturally there&#039;s a common culture to which you can claim a right (and assuredly the current term of copyright is too long, Disney evil yadda yadda, not relevant to this discussion as we&#039;re talking about brand new anime here!) The kind of language you&#039;re using certainly makes Steven&#039;s criticism, that you seem to be operating from an assumption of entitlement, seem to be accurate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer your question, yup. ;p</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll ask you&#8230; which &#8220;right&#8221; are you fighting for, exactly? How did you obtain a right to these fruits of other people&#8217;s hard labor? Aside from the right of nature, in which you are entitled to take it because you are capable of doing so, of course. Naturally there&#8217;s a common culture to which you can claim a right (and assuredly the current term of copyright is too long, Disney evil yadda yadda, not relevant to this discussion as we&#8217;re talking about brand new anime here!) The kind of language you&#8217;re using certainly makes Steven&#8217;s criticism, that you seem to be operating from an assumption of entitlement, seem to be accurate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: omo</title>
		<link>http://omonomono.com/2008/01/08/lol-copyright/#comment-6623</link>
		<dc:creator>omo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least you can tell me this: was there microeconomic research data to go with your empirical data? The *AA&#039;s have been telling the world they&#039;re losing money left and right, and they have. But how does losing money correlate to this kind of copyright freedom is not always clearly stated. In fact often it&#039;s quite opaque because companies go out of business from a wide variety of reasons, it may not matter if people didn&#039;t bother with fansubs.

Steve: you guys should get better blogging service, but thanks for the trackback. Since I didn&#039;t feel like signing up to make a comment on your blog I&#039;ll just say one more thing in regards to it: you sort of have our positions down but I get the feeling &quot;you don&#039;t get it either.&quot; How sad it is the day when &quot;fighting for your right&quot; is painted as extremist. In my perspective I&#039;ve only stated the bare minimum. Do realize I don&#039;t disagree with most of the arguments Avatar put up. I just think a lot of his arguments and presumptions (and especially the unstated ones) only sound good and is effective at convincing people who don&#039;t really know much in this area, but it may or may not be actually true. There&#039;s a lot of room for practical, empirical research, testing and exchanging of thoughts and we all can benefit from this discussion or argument or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least you can tell me this: was there microeconomic research data to go with your empirical data? The *AA&#8217;s have been telling the world they&#8217;re losing money left and right, and they have. But how does losing money correlate to this kind of copyright freedom is not always clearly stated. In fact often it&#8217;s quite opaque because companies go out of business from a wide variety of reasons, it may not matter if people didn&#8217;t bother with fansubs.</p>
<p>Steve: you guys should get better blogging service, but thanks for the trackback. Since I didn&#8217;t feel like signing up to make a comment on your blog I&#8217;ll just say one more thing in regards to it: you sort of have our positions down but I get the feeling &#8220;you don&#8217;t get it either.&#8221; How sad it is the day when &#8220;fighting for your right&#8221; is painted as extremist. In my perspective I&#8217;ve only stated the bare minimum. Do realize I don&#8217;t disagree with most of the arguments Avatar put up. I just think a lot of his arguments and presumptions (and especially the unstated ones) only sound good and is effective at convincing people who don&#8217;t really know much in this area, but it may or may not be actually true. There&#8217;s a lot of room for practical, empirical research, testing and exchanging of thoughts and we all can benefit from this discussion or argument or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Avatar</title>
		<link>http://omonomono.com/2008/01/08/lol-copyright/#comment-6622</link>
		<dc:creator>Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. No anime company could ever go out of business! ;p

It&#039;s undeniable that they&#039;re distorting the market. And while there&#039;s a substitution and a penetration effect, they don&#039;t work on the same titles - your hits get more sales and everything else gets shafted. Time once was when even a mediocre title would get enough sales to at least make it worth doing... you might not actually make any money off it, but it&#039;s better than sitting around on your thumbs. Nowadays that&#039;s not really the truth - the also-ran titles are increasingly selling so poorly that they aren&#039;t justifying being worked on at all, even if you have idle staff to do the work!

I&#039;d present empirical data to back that up, but that would blow my NDA out of the water. Suffice it to say that it&#039;s a noticeable trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. No anime company could ever go out of business! ;p</p>
<p>It&#8217;s undeniable that they&#8217;re distorting the market. And while there&#8217;s a substitution and a penetration effect, they don&#8217;t work on the same titles &#8211; your hits get more sales and everything else gets shafted. Time once was when even a mediocre title would get enough sales to at least make it worth doing&#8230; you might not actually make any money off it, but it&#8217;s better than sitting around on your thumbs. Nowadays that&#8217;s not really the truth &#8211; the also-ran titles are increasingly selling so poorly that they aren&#8217;t justifying being worked on at all, even if you have idle staff to do the work!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d present empirical data to back that up, but that would blow my NDA out of the water. Suffice it to say that it&#8217;s a noticeable trend.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Den Beste</title>
		<link>http://omonomono.com/2008/01/08/lol-copyright/#comment-6620</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Den Beste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve written a response to you here:
http://chizumatic.mee.nu/copyright_the_never-ending_story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written a response to you here:<br />
<a href="http://chizumatic.mee.nu/copyright_the_never-ending_story" rel="nofollow">http://chizumatic.mee.nu/copyright_the_never-ending_story</a></p>
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